Curse

namkey · Feb 20, 2007, 06:42 AM // 06:42

I took 5 minutes out of my 36 hours and got myself a pig. There was a little next to the resord keeper that said she was going to give prizes to the top 100.

Martin Alvito · Feb 20, 2007, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

(even though spending hours trying to find out when/where/how to activate the powerups sounds a bit like... no life

)

Actually, I just put everything else on hold for the weekend. Currently in graduate school, so I can do that (although the next three days are going to be rough as I catch back up).

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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

but it is a FACT that people were spike joining. Don't even try to argue there, I got hit with something of the sort but I thought nothing of it, we passed the first checkoint and I (among others) went to the right up the hill, we get to the box and I grab it, but wth some guy is camping it, and he is spamming KD's ( I thought it was just someone trying to get Echo+super beetle), luckily while he was KD'ing me I was right at the box, too, and got a super beetle.

You may not have cheated, but several people did.

My point is this: so what? They were NOT helping themselves succeed if they were spike joining. Spike joins would have meant many fewer matches; proper play in the early part provided far more opportunities for the combo than spike joins ever would have.

Look at it this way: if someone cheats at poker, but consistently cheats out worse cards than the deck would have given them randomly (and other players get cards normally)...does it matter? Personally, I'd prefer that my opponents cheat subpar cards into their own hands.

While in the match in question this may have hurt you, the /resign command was a powerful way of dealing with early knockdowns. Focusing on controlling what you could control and not getting overly bent out of shape over what you could not (such as box lotto and banding) was critical to success in this thing. Sure, I spent LOTS of time using foul language over this weekend...but so long as I could put the irritants behind me and focus on the next match, silly stuff like what you describe didn't matter.

atkafighter · Feb 20, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45

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Originally Posted by namkey

I took 5 minutes out of my 36 hours and got myself a pig.

Good for you.

I was opening stupid fortunes all weekend, and didn't get a single one. Then I broke down to buy one, and found out a few hours later that they are free.

namkey · Feb 20, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Unfortunate for you. next time, wait till the end of a weekend before buying something. Happens every event that people pay stupid amounts for something they shouldnt have.

Martin Alvito · Feb 20, 2007, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by Blackest Rose

It turns out that for the chefs materials rewards were given out in the thousands....rollerbeetle to only 100.

True enough; had Anet had some OTHER minipet or some other significant prize (even a ton of gift bags) available for people that actually completed the collection efforts, this would have been preferable in my opinion. However, how rare could it have been given all the pve-focused players in the game, as compared to something only given to the top 100 scorers in a 3-day special event?

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Originally Posted by Blackest Rose

It wasn't until Sunday that we found out that pigs weren't actually rare and that was it. By then it's late in the day to refocus on rollerbeetle.

Have to disagree with you there, just from opening up fortunes on the first day of rollerbeetle and seeing all the pig sale spam in LA/Kamadan AD1. If you were paying attention to the price of pigs in the trade/local spam, it should have been painfully obvious that pigs were going to be worthless within about six hours after the event started. I sold all of the ones I got in the first few hours for 20-25k (while they were still semirare) knowing that everyone and his aunt would have them by the time all was said and done. Never even bothered to unload them after they dropped to 10.

Still, I wasn't looking at this event as an opportunity to profit. I know many people do (guild leader made something like 1.2 million plat farming gargoyle skulls during Christmas this year...too boring for my taste). However, I simply saw rollerbeetle as a fun minigame to be deciphered right from the start. I figured the prize would probably be a mini beetle, but I was more focused on posting a top time than the outcome.

Martin Alvito · Feb 20, 2007, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by atkafighter

I think to make it fair anyone who completed a roller beetle race should get a mini bettle with no flames (solid color), and top 100s get the snazzy flames beetle. Satisfies both parties IMHO.

Probably obvious that I'll take the differing tack here - the thing that makes the beetle cool isn't the looks so much as the scarcity. I'd be pretty upset with Anet if they were to implement something like this. Particularly after an event was completed.

It'd be almost as bad as the first trader reset (the one that held up, not the one that was rolled back) IMO. Changing the rules of the game/economy after the situation is established isn't appropriate.

dronex · Feb 20, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

compared to this the pig sucks ;/ must have oneeee

Lyonette · Feb 20, 2007, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

It does not. I was hoping it would use the Dash animation and sound when it got far enough away, but no such luck.

awww, thats kinda sucky. T_T

half the reason i love the rollerbeetles is because of the sound they make.

i guess the devs didnt intend on restoring the pets sounds :3

Riceboi · Feb 20, 2007, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by beetlebomb

This topic was enough to get me to register an account...

I would like to say a personal and heartfelt thank you to anet.

Thank you anet...you have given 100 players a license to print money. If this sort of activity doesn't encourage more people to violate the EULA and buy ingame money I don't know what will. I agree with all the people before me who thought this event brought out the greediest most selfish nature of the playerbase. I really hope someone from anet reads through all this and more importantly see the corruption a luck and lag based minigame wrought on otherwise somewhat rule abiding playerbase.

Want a tissue baby? Go Home!

Hell Raiser · Feb 20, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

The "no life" thing was a joke

I'm not saying that my entire weekend was ruined by such things as spike joining, in fact I was not even rollerbeetle racing all weekend. Like I said in a previous post, I KNEW I would not get into the top 100, this was simply because thousands (I guessed) would attend this event and only 100 (was 50 at first O.o ) would be placed on the scoreboard.

I have far too much to deal with in real life to be able to put everything aside and master beetle racing. I have obligations during the week (although they allow me to play alot during the day I still get called away every few min.) and my weekends are usually spent with friends/family. Although I was able to attend a few of the celestial pig visits (I <3 the lion mask) and run a few races (best time was 450k, sad right?), I'm not a "hardcore" player.

I see how you could be angry with people for just pointing fingers and saying "Cheater", but you should not be angry at them, instead maybe try to see their point of view and maybe be angry at spike joiners? If you earned your place, great, if you have time to do such things, awsome! However many of us are racing in this GAME for FUN and not highscore.

PyrAnkh · Feb 20, 2007, 07:25 AM // 07:25

Well im

cuz i was in top100 for a while......spike entering was predictable IMO though.

Martin Alvito · Feb 20, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

The "no life" thing was a joke

*laughs* Defensive probably because there's some truth to it. At least this weekend anyway. Wife not happy with husband.

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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

I see how you could be angry with people for just pointing fingers and saying "Cheater", but you should not be angry at them, instead maybe try to see their point of view and maybe be angry at spike joiners? If you earned your place, great, if you have time to do such things, awsome! However many of us are racing in this GAME for FUN and not highscore.

Angry's not so much the word as sad and frustrated. I just want to grab them, shake them, and say:

"Quit pointing fingers at others! Stop casting blame! You are capable of controlling your own destiny! So shut up, quit whining, and go make it happen!"

Probably an aftereffect of spending five years in sales and sales management before going back to graduate school. I've seen this sort of finger-pointing behavior (and worse, managed it) too many times from too many potentially talented people.

Spike joiners = something I can't do something about = something I'm not going to worry about. If it became a real problem in this game (such that I couldn't enjoy PvP at all) I'd quit playing, because that's something that I can do. Otherwise, no sense doing anything except accept it. Especially since they were just hurting themselves in any case, so you get the added bonus of getting to laugh at them for harming themselves by attempting to "cheat", which doesn't happen all that often. Unintentional comedy ftw!

Hell Raiser · Feb 20, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

I find the fact that they even felt the need to cheat more entertaining than it actually biting them in the ass. Cheaters have and most likely always will be a problem in games, even if they don't use codes there are ways of cheating (Such as spike joining, exploiting, or ebaying). Usually people cheat because they have never or refuse to work for anything (in this case the beetle), you just have to keep yourself in line and remember that it is just a GAME.

Finger pointing is always a part of life, people who can't take responsibility generally like to have a scape goat (classic situation, "The dog ate my homework..."). In this case, however, people should not (and, in some situations, are not) be blaming someone else for not allowing them to complete something (ZOMG if he didn't knock me down at the start I would have gotten #1 score!!!!), if they are it is simply jealousy and trying to make people believe they would have won if these guys weren't spike joining. The event was great, it is just too bad so many people complain over a little animated bug

Stixxx · Feb 20, 2007, 08:15 AM // 08:15

waw those look cool! Thats gonna be the only mini pet i actually want

But meh...cba to throw away so much money on a bug

Asrial · Feb 20, 2007, 10:36 AM // 10:36

I find playing Rollerbeetle Racing alot more fun than playing Get The Top Spot.

Hengis · Feb 20, 2007, 10:50 AM // 10:50

There are several good ideas coming out of this thread in between the allegations and counter allegations of cheating etc.

Having two separate games on the same track, one where you race solo to try and achieve the best time, and the other where you race against other players to score gamer points sounds pretty good to me.

I also think that having only the top 100 scores being rewarded may have caused some of the shall we say less than ethical tactics.

If it had been the top 1000 for instance, there would have been less absolute pressure to win by any means.

I don't know how many active accounts there are on Guild War, then but if it is around one million then even 1000 winners would only represent 1/1000th of the player base. This would still have made the prize extremely rare, but not so rare as to be selling for prices that are quite simply insane.

garethporlest18 · Feb 20, 2007, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Originally Posted by Hengis Stone

There are several good ideas coming out of this thread in between the allegations and counter allegations of cheating etc.

Having two separate games on the same track, one where you race solo to try and achieve the best time, and the other where you race against other players to score gamer points sounds pretty good to me.

I also think that having only the top 100 scores being rewarded may have caused some of the shall we say less than ethical tactics.

If it had been the top 1000 for instance, there would have been less absolute pressure to win by any means.

I don't know how many active accounts there are on Guild War, then but if it is around one million then even 1000 winners would only represent 1/1000th of the player base. This would still have made the prize extremely rare, but not so rare as to be selling for prices that are quite simply insane.

I think if Anet added that mini to 2nd birthday presents, or brought this little racing game back with another top 100 (all winners not allowed to be same as last time would make it better, at least a little bit. Just as much as the solo time trials and PvP style racing such as we had with a 10-20 gamer point win instead of 7. I'd be happy with that at least.

Draikin · Feb 20, 2007, 11:25 AM // 11:25

I would like to see beetle racing return but with a few changes like Super Rollerbeetle lasting only 5 seconds and some kind of solution against box camping. The way it was now echo + super roller beetle was too good, you could easily afford to boxcamp for 5-15 seconds and still beat the competition.

garethporlest18 · Feb 20, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by Draikin

I would like to see beetle racing return but with a few changes like Super Rollerbeetle lasting only 5 seconds and some kind of solution against box camping. The way it was now echo + super roller beetle was too good, you could easily afford to boxcamp for 5-15 seconds and still beat the competition.

Yeah but you don't get much more for beating the competition..2 more gamer points and I just realized why it was so low. So that kind of stuff didn't really make it worth it, compared to trying to get top 100. Couldn't really camp for long (1-2 seconds if that) to get in to top 100.

Queenie · Feb 20, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

That really sucks ;-; Enter as a team and then ganging up on other contestants :/ I'd really love to get a Rock Beetle mini pet aswell...but...bleh ._.